People ask me to compare Haven Spas to other brands.  This is something that I don't like to do, because the only way to do it is with side by side comparisons and the consumer has to understand what these parts are all about.   Unless you actually study the spas you are looking into, you will never know what you are buying.  Due to our continued quest to make our spas perfect, the price of the
Fallriver Gold has gone up. We have made several equipment upgrades and new higher cost plumbing.  READ

Sundance Cameo    VS                 Haven Fallriver Gold, Provence with Twin Master Massage
Sundance Cameo, The highest priced model this size in their highest end
Haven Fallriver Gold
The highest priced model similar size to Cameo,  in our "low end spas"
Sundance Review
Comparative Comment
The Fallriver is roomier and more open.  It feels a lot bigger than the Cameo.  The Fallriver design is for humans to sit in comfortably,  without confining seats and confusing detrimental controls. Haven Spas are much easier to use.  Full sized jets in the Fallriver seat backs.  Too many bullet jets in the Cameo.  The Fallriver is a workhorse with a thick strong shell, designed to look good on the inside and outside.   Our spas are designed to last 25 years with at least 10 years of trouble free operation, before you need any repairs.

The "modern" Cameo is a faint gost of the original spas.  (The company has been bought and sold twice and it ain't pretty what happend. )
Size inches 89x89x37.5 92x92x38
Sundance has no neck or shoulder jets
Fallriver is larger more room. Cleaner, larger foot well with extremely powerful master massage jets. No tiny jets in the backs of the seats. With much stronger construction and amazing neck and shoulder blaster collar. Sundance has no above water neck jets that are wonderful.
Dry Weight
Sundance Cameo 861 LB
Haven Fallriver 1010 LB
Fallriver is larger and weighs more even though it is not stuffed with foam to hold it together.
Cabinet Construction
2x2 frames, stuffed with foam in the Sundance Cameo to keep it from falling down.  The bottom of the shell is supported by cut PVC pipe and so are the seats. This is by far the cheapest way to make a fiberglass backed shell as thin as you possibly can. The cabinet "skirt" is cheap thin plastic. The equipment compartment on Sundance is vented so it wastes a lot of energy.
The shell is much stronger, thicker and heavier, on the Fallriver and the frames can support up to 40,000 LB of load.
There are 12 vertical 2x4 house framing lumber. The entire bottom is also framed in pressure treated lumber 2x6 . The shell is properly made to support water.  Water weighs 8.33 LB per gallon, so it is 3,665 LB of water. Think about it!
The cabinet skirt on Haven Spas is 3/4 of an inch thick laminated wood with extreme, 15 year coatings. The cabinets are sealed shut air tight.
The construction of the Haven Spas is superior to any brand of spas made today.  Haven Spas Engineering and construction has no competition.
30 Year old antique Full Foam in the Sundance Cameo with huge vents that waste energy.  One of the cheapest way to insulate there is.
Modern Thermal Closed insulation with warm air barrier insulation. Closed cabinet that recycles the energy back into the spa water. We seal the cabinet with rubber seals, like a freezer to stop all warm air from exiting the cabinet

The insulation used on Sundance is a joke in this day and age. Haven Spas Insulation
We have the documented lowest energy consumption of any spa.
We guarantee 4.5 KWH/day in standby ambient 50 degrees or less year round average use of the spa. That is less than 1/3 the cost for electricity over the Sundance.
Filled weight
4572 LB
4704 LB

Water Capacity (avg. fill)
Sundance Cameo is about the same.  The Fallriver has more defined seating that varies from super deep to high for cooler seating.  The lounge is better in the Fallriver for anti flotation, because of the ergonomics of the shape and the water depth maximum of 23 inches.  Haven Spas are noted for having the best anti floating lounges.
Water Pump
(Water Delivery)
2 ea. ONE SPEED "TheraMax"
2-inch intake and 2 inch outlets. Old fashioned restrictive suctions. (No water flow PSI  specifications.  From research it is 160 GPM at 17 PSI. Please correct this if you know.) List price $421.42
Total water flow ;  320 Gallons per minute, and the heat energy is wasted out the vents.

The Cameo uses diverter valves to fool people into thinking they have therapy.

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2 ea. TWO SPEED , WW 3 HP Executive with 2.5 inch intake and 2 inch out lets. 
Water Flow at 170 each pump GPM at 17 PSI. List price $654.50 and  each.

Plus 1 each one speed 3 HP for the twin Master Jets.  160 GPM List $527.66
Total water flow available;   500 Gallons per minute. That is real therapy. And the heat energy is put back in the water.

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The Fallriver has higher quality equipment with better more well known motors for longevity.  And the Fallriver has larger way oversized, super clean "suction side" plumbing for better water flow and pressure curve than the "Thera Max" pumps.  The Cameo has single speed water pumps, so the owners do not have the ability to have low speed light therapy.  There are 6 levels of intensity of therapy in the Haven Spas with just the speeds of the jet pumps and the use of air and turbo air.  In the Cameo, there is two levels. ( Considering how expensive the Cameo is, why would anybody buy one over the Fallriver?)
Therapy Pump Ratings: 
Pump 1

Pump 2

Pump 3

Circ Pump

1- speed 2.5 HP Continuous

1-speed 2.5 HP Continuous


1/15 HP 48 frame?

2-speed 3.0 HP Continuous

2-speed 3.0 HP Continuous, 4 BHP

1 speed, 3 HP Continuous.
4 BHP for twin Power Foot Massage Jets

Pump One on low speed does the filtering, ozone and heating. Does double duty as both circ pump and therapy pump.
More HP using the same amps with the Haven, according to research.  Special controls to run the three jet pumps plus blower and lights. The Haven control system adjusts the total amps as use conditions change. Sundance uses 48 frame motors and Haven uses 56 frame motors by a much higher quality motor manufacture.
Total Water Jets
39 + Two Master Massage
Sundance uses "exclusive jets" that do not have bearings, so they don't have an rotating large jets at all.  They are the only company that does not offer rotating large jets.  It is for economic, cheap, reasons and not having to deal with bearings.  Haven Jet Bearings work just fine and give a far superior massage that pulses and rotates.
Above Water Neck and Shoulder Jets
NONE  Nothing. 
Sundance lacks the ability to vacuum form with "reverse molding", and no possible above water jets or "neck collar" that gives that deep upper muscle massage.  It simply costs more to have a human being to operate the reverse molding blocks.  (hint it is all about hype, sales, money and not about building a good spa.)
Leg Jets In the Lounger
Looks like four air jets
Six Water and four air jets
Obviously we think more in terms of actual therapy in our products.  It is because the designer of Haven, likes leg massage. Because of the anti float of our lounges, along with the air and water jets, we get full leg massage and very little floating.  The air breaks up the water buoyancy in Haven Spas.
Captains Chair Therapy
There is no "Captains Chair" in the Sundance cameo. Looks like four medium jets and two upper jets in one seat with two air injectors. The other seat has a bunch of tiny bullet jets jets.
10 water jets. We Have 4 large full size spinning and pulsatign jets, 2 Medium, with the 4 neck and shoulder jets.   There is no comparison with this seat.
The "Captain's Chair" is the number one hot seat in all of our models.  It is designed with the maximum water flow to achieve powerful jet therapy.  There is always an array of three jets across the upper shoulder area and mid back plus lower back jets.  Plus the pumps run on 6 different levels of therapy with the Low speed, High Speed, Along turbo air on low speed or high speed.  Sundance does not have "turbo air"
And it does not have two speed jet pumps.
Six Jet Seat
Sundance has a seat with a bunch of cheap small jets and  bullet jets, and they give it a fancy name.  Most humans after testing the Haven Spas seem to dislike that seat, and prefer real jets on the back.
Two upper medium poly storm jets  jets and two mini storm jets, then two medium poly storm jets a the bottom.  This "six jet seat" is common throughout the Haven Line of spas because it gives superior therapy and you can pivot to get good side therapy and hip therapy. No bullet jets in the six jet seat.
The Haven Fallriver is superior in all ways to the Cameo in therapy and in jet use. The Cameo uses  a lot of sales hype to sell a bunch of small jets.  Whenever you see a full page in a brochure dedicated to a design feature, in a spa brochure, you can rest assured that it is B.S.  and they are "selling you on something that is really cheap" or is some "exclusive thing" they do.
Whirlpool Jets
5 each, medium orifice.
We don't like whirlpool jets on feet or up on the wall where they do no good, so we don't use them.  It is a good jet for a lower back, so we use it in the "power jet" in our SE and Super Custom, but only on the lower back. ( We did a survey of our hot tub owner's and asked them what jets they don't use much.  80% said the "whirlpool". So we took them off the Haven Spas.) You can get an optional "Power Jet" in the lower back of the captains chair for additional money.
Whirlpool jets are not very expensive to buy and install.  They have no moving parts and are not adjustable.  The Whirlpool idea was touted in the 1950's and 1960's as the latest technology for bath tubs.  Hmm?
Master Massage Jets
Sundance has no Master Massage jets, because they use a cheaper brand of jets.
Two Huge Master Massage jets with a total of 28 jet orifices outlets.  Each jet runs at 80 GPM (gallons per minute)
The twin Master Massage jets are the best foot and leg jet therapy that I have ever experienced. This is one of the reasons why Haven Spas have never lost a wet test against the Cameo.   We have dropped  the use of other jets (Volcano, and Whirlpool), because they just don't do the job.
The Master Massage jets are optional, but if we are trying to compare the Cameo to one of our products, in features and price we put the option on to bring our price up to still destroys the  Cameo in a wet test.
Air Jets or Air Injectors
14 air injectors only
1.5 HP air pump. This is built in to the spa cabinet and is fairly difficult to access for repairs.  There really is no blower but a blower motor mounted in side a chamber.
We are only using the Turbo Air on this model, because it is the feature that all people want when they test our Haven Spas and do comparisons.  Our turbo air blower is extremely quiet because of our sound proofing of the latest cabinets.
The Cameo does not take advantage of modern air therapy.  They use the blower "sort of".  Haven places the air power into the water jets,  strategically to give a pulsating massage up your back in the seats, and full power to the leg a jets with turbo air to the leg jets.  This is SO MUCH BETTER!
Exclusive Parts
All of the Sundance parts are exclusive and overpriced for no reason other than making more money.
All the Haven Parts are not exclusive and are better made parts all the way around.
Whenever a spa company contracts with a jet company for parts, they get them cheap.  Whoever gets the bid, is going to cut the parts as much as they can to try and get a small profit.  That is why the diverter and air control  handles on Sundance are so cheap, and the jets are so cheaply made.  The standard quality parts cost more and are readily available at decent prices.
Diverter Valves
Sundance Has Diverter Disease.  They have two of them. One on each pump.  Finally they figured out to allow other jets to run and not put the diverter as the only thing the jet pumps "see".
We know that using Diverters, diminishes the function of the spa.
Who the heck wants to wait for jets, or to have only part of the seat function?  We plumb the jet pumps to match the jets and use better pumps.
Diverter Valves used directly on the pump outlets are bad, very very bad and are a way to fool people.  When you walk into a spa store and see spas with 39 jets, but you can't run all of them at the same time, get OUT OF THE STORE and head over to our web site and to our Haven Spa store, where you can get a real hot tub, with out the nonsense.
Control Boxes
Metal Steel or Aluminum,
We use metal  aluminum or steel and we do not use exclusive parts, so that  when time comes to repair, you save on parts.  Plus the control system is  stronger in the Haven. We use larger relays to run all the higher amp equipment.
MicroClean II filtration system.
Standard not exclusive filter cartridge and filter parts.
Sundance ties to sell you on expensive filters that are a waste of time.  If you take care of your water you don't need to have any special filters.  They want you on a system that costs about 6 times what you need to pay.
Two LED lights standard
Two LED lights standard.
One in the light lens and one in the waterfall.
Filter Lid
Sundance has a loose filter lid.
We have no loose filter lids
I hate loose filter lids, because of dealing with them..  It is ridiculous to have them on a portable spa.
Head Rests
We like head rests.
Optional $1400  for pop up speakers.
Optional $1245 for  4 Pop up speakers are with sub woofer and  ipod iphone direct  bay and waterproof remote. 
Like everything else on Sundance too much money for too little.
Electrical Requirements
60 HZ 30 A, 50A, or 60A
60 HZ 50/60 AMPs
The Haven Fallriver Gold is a stronger therapy machine with more expensive equipment.
5 to 6 Adults.

The top rail is impossible to set up on the edge of the shell to get out of the water and cool off. The filter lid is not capable of using as a seat and it is dangerous.
Seats 5 to 6 Adults with more room.

On Haven Spas we have larger upper flat areas on the top edge of the shell, so you can set up out of the water comfortably to cool down or just set there and have a chat. Witout the loose filter lid you can set over the filter area very nicely.  This is a feature most spas do not have.
The foot well in the Fallriver is larger and better for comfort.  The whole Fallriver  spa is bigger and still costs less..
The filter housing on Sundance is huge and wastes a lot of space.
Sale price after car dealership type of negotiation.


Our everyday Sale price;

The Fallriver Gold  is about 2x more spa for a little more money. (Hint. If the Cameo is sold for 10 k the Fallriver is worth 20K) Better made, stronger cabinet, stronger motors, stronger control system, better made shell.  The Fallriver is in our Standard spas and the Cameo is in the "highest end" of Sundance.  There is your Clue.  We only have smart shopper buy Haven Spas.
(Please don't compare our SC or SE or Paramount or Vista spas against this lower quality product.)